Why RoboCon matters to me, and Conservatives

I keep encountering Canadians who think the illegal robocalls scandal is no big deal. They suggest that many of the ridings that were won by Conservatives, were in bigger margins than the alleged number of misdirected non-CPC voters, so there’s no need for by-elections. I could not disagree more, and I’ll explain why. A government that comes to power, where its election is tainted by thousands of examples of vote suppression, is not “legitimate”. If you take a political science class, it will help explain why this is a key point, but if you understand it, politics anywhere in the world makes more sense.

Superanne explains what happens when a government uses power, but does not have legitimacy:

I think there’s potential for at least some byelections, AND if this issue continues to show Harper in a spectacularly bad light some of his MPs may bail out under pressure from their constituents. The first one to go could start a little stampede.

If the House of Commons is rendered unworkable and has lost the confidence of Canadians, the GG may have to step in so we can start over.

Harper’s weakness is that whatever judgement he has is neutered by ambition; he’s confused about the power a stolen majority gives him, thinking it will make the populace governable. That’s a fairly big error in judgement, and the longer he persists in it the more pissed off and noisy people will be.

An extreme case of a government losing legitimacy, is the government of Egypt, circa January 2011. The populace there was no longer accepting of its dictatorship, so they removed legitimacy from it. The army there recognized that, stepped in with a coup and told the people they won new elections to restore legitimacy. Do I expect a coup in Canada from RoboCon? No. I expect a judge to order some by-elections, and some Conservative MPs may sit as independents if the Conservative party’s name loses its luster with its members. These outcomes may result in a general election, if the Conservatives fail to take steps to atone for their mysterious robocall supporters, even if they didn’t order them or have permission from the membership to undertake this electoral fraud.

The other reason byelections are a crucial outcome for Canada to remain a democracy under the rule of law (avoid being a dictatorship style country), is to uphold the Elections Act. There are punishments in the Act to deal with people who concoct and implement schemes to physically prevent people from getting to the polls. If the guilty are not caught, and punished, what punitive threat is there to others considering this sort of crime next election? If the punishments are not used now, then when?? What could possibly be more blatantly in massive violation of Canadians’ rights to a fair election than telling thousands of people fraudulently that you’re Elections Canada, and that they must go to a fake location to vote, so they miss their chance to be heard?

If someone (or a party) can concoct a scheme involving burner cell phones, aliases, and young campaign volunteers, while exploiting them as tools to interfere in dozens of ridings, and thousands of voters, what’s the point of having an Elections Act, and punishment that is severe for even knocking down a lawn sign? In a country with a majority government won on the vote-difference of ~6300 random people, what sort of legitimacy does the government have?

This isn’t about my dislike or distrust of the Conservative Party, although my passion in writing about it is certainly fueled in part by that. It’s actually about restoring the now tarnished reputation of our electoral system, and thus our democracy. If the Conservatives manage to win byelections or another majority, I could accept that Canadians, rightly or wrongly, in a new fair election accepted them as legitimate.

Canada recently spent $5M in Haiti to prevent these sorts of election violations. Canadians have long recognized the importance of fair elections, and was regarded worldwide as an expert in running them here and abroad. Pierre Poutine/Jones has ruined the legitimacy of our $350M election, and our national electoral reputation, and their punishment had better darn-well fit that crime against all of us.

I should also note that the way Canadian law works, indictable (felony level for you Americans) offenses like #RoboCon need two ingredients:

  • intent
  • act

There are fancy Latin names for each, mens rea, and actus reus (my Grade 12 law class paying dividends today, more than a decade later). They mean that someone can think of a crime, but not be guilty, or they can do something bad, but if they don’t have the legislated level of intent, they are not guilty.

Clearly the people who conspired to bring us RoboCon, had the guilty act (actus reus). The phone calls were the act. Clearly they had the intent to defraud Canadians, when they bought a burner cell phone, cooked up Pierre Poutine/Jones’ aliases, and used a gift-credit card to pay for the calls — guilty mind (mens rea).

If you start dismissing crimes that impact thousands of Canadians during the most sensitive political period outside of actual war, are you defending democracy, or are you arguing for something less? Democracy is under siege here, and it’s as serious as any murder story in the news. I do not exaggerate this point. If democracy isn’t as precious to you as life itself, as a Canadian, what is?

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ADDED:

offences were committed by everyone who made such [robo]calls and by everyone who knowingly aided or abetted the making of them. Moreover, an attempt to commit an offence is an offence.
[…] We have to hope Elections Canada does a thorough investigation, identifies those responsible and prosecutes them vigorously. “

25 responses to “Why RoboCon matters to me, and Conservatives

  1. One thing that this whole affair exposes, for me any ways, as does Vic Teows conviction in Manitoba, and the CPC conviction for the in and out, is how easy it is to commit election fraud, how paltry the punishments are when convicted, and the lack of enforcement and investigative powers for those “entrusted” to protect our system.

    Yet which comes first? Greater punishments and powers for Election’s Canada and then Canadians will start caring or do Canadians need to start caring before we give more teeth to Election’s Canada.

    Christ you fuck with the CCRA, even if its an honest mistake, and they have the power to investigate, hit you with penalties and enforcements like you wouldn’t believe.

    Commit a fraud, get convicted of one and it’s like no biggie.

    I’m thinking that maybe I’m in the wrong “business”

    • The CRA example is a good one. You have to look cynically at who benefits from each crime. If you don’t pay your taxes to the government, those in power have less money to exert power (over you). If a government is elected due to electoral system flaws and inability to punish crime, the government has power to exert.

      Follow the money (and the power).

    • Which is why it’s hard to convince Conservatives that they need to be as concerned about RoboCon as I am, even if it may impact their power in government for a period of time. There are some things more important than holding absolute power of a majority government in a Parliamentary democracy. Maintaining that democracy by resisting evil forces against it both foreign and domestic — that’s our higher responsibility to our country and neighbours. Did Canadians go to war in Europe because they supported the political ideology of their current government? Not really. They were defending free democracies from people who would undermine fair elections through invasion and fascism. A domestic threat within Canada, like Poutine, doesn’t even need a fricken army to undermine our electoral system!

  2. Hate to say this but I gotta agree with you on this one Saskboy. I do not call this thing a scandal, but it is still important.

    What has surpirsed me is the toothless nature of Elections Canada. But when I look back a number of years it’s powerlessness explains alot of things. I thought Elections Ca had some powers, but now I learn that it has virtually no power to do anything.

    So what do these overpaid people at Elections Canada actually do between elections? Up until this thing blew up, working at EC might have been the cushiest gig in Goobermint.

    • Like you I thought they had “power” but really they’re a toothless tiger. So what’s stopping me or some special interest group from doing the same thing next time around. Have 20 – 50K to screw with an election (to hire an auto caller)?

      Take an issue, say the oil sands, logging or seal hunting, regardless of your opinion on these things, there are groups in and outside of Canada can raise piles of cash the likes we have never seen here in a Canadian campaign.

      Hire a robo call firm and just harass the voters for giggles.

      Take a hacker group – it would be EASY for them to set up and account and just mess with the system at will.

      How are you going to catch them, and if you do what are you going to do to them?

      Ah well.

    • The woman the new Anon stuff talks about, in a busted nutshell, they suggest Teows was banging her prior to naming her a Judge, is well a Judge.

      Judges look after their own and I don’t think anyone wants to be taken to court on a libel charge involving a Judge – don’t think it would go well for the defendant(s).

  3. Thanks saskboy, consider yourself bookmarked! Say, you studied law, can you tell me why Parliament would have a debate about Anonymous threatening to leak more of what we all need to know about “The Minister of Family Values”, Vic Toews, and yet when Anonymous does finally leak it, not a single newspaper mentions it, except the Vancouver Observer? Here’s the link:

    http://www.vancouverobserver.com/politics/commentary/2012/03/03/vic-toews-targeted-second-anonymous-smear-campaign

    Sounds like everyone is afraid of something. Could it be Harper?

    • Grade 12 law, is not “studying law” in the sense I could give a legal opinion.

      I don’t really know what more Anonymous could reveal about Toews to make him a less suitable MP, unless it were to put him in jail for a crime.

  4. It is alarming that a large number of people are willing to brush off alleged electoral fraud as ‘no big deal’. Though that sentiment is often expressed by the same people whom believe that in a democracy, the parties that lose or do not form the government should simply ‘shut up’ until the next election (ie: the Hamas mindset).

    That said, the charges against the Conservatives are still only allegations, not proven transgressions, as of yet. This is serious and warrants a serious investigation, but maybe we should reserve our politician-grade tar and feathers until Elections Canada determines the number, names, and crimes of the guily, if there is even a guilty party. Even the Conservatives are innocent until proven guilty.

    • A serious investigation has been underway for the Vaughn by-election, since 2010! There’s been an election SINCE that one. It’s not time to just sit around and hope the authorities will save us, when it took 5 years to get token justice for the In & Out accounting fraud, for which the Conservatives won their first minority government. So are they innocent until proven guilty? Sure. They’ve been proven guilty, and pleaded as such to election crimes, and misleading phonecalls (Colter’s riding) in the last year. Do you need them to leave breadcrumbs too?

      • Just because someone has been legally charged with murder and was subsequently accused of armed robbery does not automatically make the latter accusation true. Due process for each crime and misendevour, plz.

      • You alluded to the rule of law in your post:

        “….The other reason byelections are a crucial outcome for Canada to remain a democracy under the rule of law (avoid being a dictatorship style country), is to uphold the Elections Act. There are punishments in the Act to deal with people who concoct and implement schemes to physically prevent people from getting to the polls….”

        By my (admittedly limitted) understanding of that topic, one of the central tenents of the rule of law is impartiality with regards to every single case. One of the major tenents of our legal system – as we inheritted from England – is innocence until guilt is proven, regardless of the standing of the accused. That includes social status or previous reputation, or indeed, previous convictions.

        Plato said that mob rule was among the worst kinds of rule. In fact, the word ‘tyrannus’ (tyrant) was originally used to describe a demagoge style dictator – such as Adolf Hitler – as opposed to the more usual strong-arm style dictator. I’d rather that we not go there.

        If we revert to mob mentality and, like the French Jacobins, call for the King’s head, then we are no better than Harper and his political mafia. We would be jumping to conclusions and implicitly recognizing that the system doesn’t work and that the rule of law is expendable for political expediency. Bring the Harper Conservatives down via the legal process: it would in fact cause more damage to their legitimacy because then they wouldn’t be able to convincingly employ the ‘kangaroo court’ rebuttal when the trial was fair.

      • I understand completely what you are saying, I just think we’ve twiddled our thumbs a little too much waiting for justice to be done. Meanwhile, our Prime Minister heads a party convicted of Election Act crime, has cabinet ministers guilty of election crimes, a Senator guilty, and another minister under investigation right now for allegedly using a second set of books for a campaign to overspend.

        This PM has appointed Senators, SC Judges, Cabinet, and even the Governor General (recommended him to the Queen; she’s said she’s staying out of calling an election if Harper gets out of line, as he’s been already). He was kicked out of Parliament for holding it in Contempt, and there were thousands of people tricked into going to the wrong place to vote, so that his supporters in key ridings beat the other voters by only about 6000 votes across the nation, to give him a “strong and stable” majority.

        With that power, he sought to limit Elections Canada’s investigatory power. Hey, doesn’t he appoint the RCMP commish. too?
        http://pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=4482

        So with his “allegedly” stolen majority, he can limit the resources of the investigators so it takes them an election cycle or two to prove guilt. There likely exists no paper proof that he ordered Poutine’s team to do what they did. If it works up to the SCoC, his appointees decide if he was naughty. And the RCMP’s top boss, who would help steer emphasis on areas of enforcement, could be replaced by the PM. No conflict of interest problems there!

        Assuming everyone listed above is doing their job honestly and to the letter of the law, is not practical in a situation like this. We know they haven’t, because the investigation into RoboCalls didn’t pick up until 2 journalists started digging and blabbed the UNPROVEN IN COURT evidence. Canadians have been hoodwinked out of our democracy. The Conservative threats of a “coalition coup”, were oddly prophetic, since an unexpected, and undemocratic takeover took place with only 1 in 4 voters’ uninformed consent.

  5. I can understand why robocalls are such a concern… Lieberals and Dippers don’t have the sense to hang up!!

    Also, grade 12 law (like grade 12 science) doesn’t count for xpurteez!! Haha!

    Aside, Guelph should have a revote… the liberal MP should resign and run again!!! Harharhar!!!

    • You look so intelligent with your “Lieberal” pun, and clever spelling of expertise. Who said I thought I was an expert, from only Grade 12, besides you? If you don’t like the content of my blog, you’re quite welcome to not return, you’ve not had anything useful to say.

      The “liberal [sic] MP should resign” line is so 2 weeks ago. An elector in Guelph should complain to a judge, who should order a by-election. There’s no need for the Liberal MP to resign.

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