Idle Math

Your gas car burns at least 0.5gal/h while bigger trucks can burn .8gal/h of fuel when just sitting there running doing nothing for transportation.

0.5gal is 1.89L. That’s 1.89 * $1.599/L = $3.02 worth of gas per hour burnt idling.

60 minutes in an hour.

5 cents per minute.

The average car driver burns through more money idling in traffic for a minute, than I spend on electricity commuting by ebike or escooter for more than 2 days.

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Incidentally, a trip to Moose Jaw and back to Regina by EV costs only $3.33. So someone idling their gas car for as long as it takes to drive to Moose Jaw from city centre to city centre, will have spent almost as much, going nowhere.

Antique car idling at a Regina traffic light

6 responses to “Idle Math

  1. My daily driver is a 1982 mustang I paid $450 for in 2013 . I have done $3500 since in upkeep/ tires/ mechanics. ( currently 170 K)
    The average price of an electric vehicle in the United States for August 2022 was $66,000 US or $87220 Can.
    That gives me $83,270 for gas and doesn’t include electricity cost or any upkeep on the EV
    Or $8,327 a year or $160 per week for gas ( I might spend 30 )
    Currently the regina to moosejaw return might cost me $15
    So driving what I drive over an EV I have saved at least $67600.
    Are your stats for a regular EV or a e bike?

    • For both, I ebiked while there, so 2 cents of that $3.33 is for the ebike.

      There are some flaws in your reasoning as I see it.
      For one thing, I got an EV in 2017 for $15,500. You could have also.

      “the 1982 Ford Mustang gets a combined Avg MPG of 11.59”
      For gas now, is $1.599/L.
      To go to Moose Jaw and back is about 140km
      87mi / 11.59MPG = 7.5gal
      7.5gal is 28L
      28 * 1.599 = $44.77
      So you’re more than twice off in your gas per trip estimate.
      Even if gas was still 80 cents/L, that’s still $22.4
      Being generous and saying that the combined average focuses too much on city mileage, you’re still not in the ballpark.

      You can buy a 2022 Hyundai EV in Regina right now for $44,000 off the lot, which is a lot lower than your estimate about $20K higher (note that difference is more than I paid for my EV years ago too).

  2. 1982 Ford Mustang 6 cylinder 3.3 liter (A3) Auto 18 26
    https://www.mpgomatic.com/2008/06/24/ford-mustang-gas-mileage/
    so 26 mpg not 11.5 mpg plus gas here is 1.40 per liter.
    87m/26mpg = 3.34 gal or 12.6 liters * 1.40 … $17.50

    I appreciate your thinking , it is just a long way to 40K for really a lot of people for transport when the economics say you can be on the road for 2K and burn gas Bonus is not needing a loan. No money …park till paid.`
    Old cars do not add to the manufacture footprint and really embody the reduce , reuse and recycle anthem.
    Look up the montney formation, it is relatively untapped and 10? times the oil sands. Gas is not going anywhere as much as I too would like it to. Even mandating 50% electric sales by 2030 will just make the restoration market boom.

    • Moose Jaw and Regina are both $1.60/L gas price right now, take a cent or two.
      It’s optimistic for a 1982 car to get 26MPG. Possible.

      The 3-Rs don’t mean Refine, Redistribute, & Reburn oil. Yes, there are some energy savings in not making a new car, but over the car’s life cycle it’s more wasteful to be burning oil in it.

      SK Gov is attacking restorations right now too with SGI. It’s soon not allowing converted antique cars since 1971 and newer. Minister Morgan was caught off guard, since he has a British car that’s been converted and would be taken off the roads.

      • It is going to be a hard go for Alberta and Saskatchewan to promote oil and gas production and then restrict the use. Dani just extended our gas tax holiday.
        My power bill just jumped 50% for the same consumption as last year. Adding Albertas’ 5 million registered vehicles to the grid is iffy as we max out sometimes now. Electric combines? tractors? Semis? specialty equipment? Airplanes? Military equipment? Boats? Or just EV for the poor?
        The combined population of Alberta and Saskatchewan is 0.06% of the world… my opinion one of those 5 plus million or as Rick of Rick and Morty noted
        “I’m old. I’m going to die. And due to the absolute infinite vastness of the universe my highest most profound thinking is absolutely meaningless.”
        Thanks for the chat.

      • You’re missing my point. If people switch from a gas car to an electric transportation alternative like an ebike, they’ll use 2 pennies of power per day. If they switch to an EV, probably $1/day. If the cost doubles, that’s 4 cents, or $2 for the car. You don’t have to worry about farm equipment or planes switching yet, but as we use oil production electricity for vehicles directly, there’s more savings there too.

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