Green Party vs. Conservative Trolls

Electoral Reform anyone? Okay, we’ll just stick with what the trolls prefer then.

The poll by EKOS’s Frank Graves of 5,759 (a huge sample) Canadians shows that the Green Party enjoys the support of 23.4 per cent of voters between 18 and 25 years old compared to 21 per cent for Stephen Harper’s Tories, 24.7 per cent for the Michael Ignatieff’s Liberals and only 18.8 per cent for Jack Layton’s NDP.

“The Green Party is actually within the margin of error for the leader, which is kind of a shocking result when you think about it,” Mr. Graves says.

Check out the cookie cutter comments from a Conservative troll (or set of them *shudder*):

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JD Smith

11/26/2009 11:13:46 AM
As people get older and smarter they become conservatives.
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Guilaume Affleck

11/26/2009 11:17:18 AM
So the more ignorant, and the less experience and wisdom people have, the more likely they are to support liars and frauds.

Some surpise there.
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11/26/2009 11:17:38 AM
Ummmm, yeah. And pray tell how many actually know who the other leaders are? In that age group politics is irrelevant to them.
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hooter mcgavin

11/26/2009 11:20:25 AM
….scarry $41t.

…. when you have no downside, communism looks attractive. as you become wiser and wealthier, you have more to loose.

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White Noise

11/26/2009 11:21:28 AM
And as people begin to make decent money for their hard work, they want to keep more of it.

The Greens would be a financial disaster for this country.
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Joe Dick

11/26/2009 11:21:32 AM
Young and foolish = greens

Idealistic and arrogant = liberals

Experience and common sense = conservatives
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11/26/2009 11:22:07 AM
wow… now that’s scary…. but halloween was last month.

Seriously though… if that age category cared enough to vote, they’d probably care enough to know better than to vote Green.

And you’ll get no argument from me that the Green Party has to do a better job promoting itself, and communicating with Canadians. It’s just inexcusable that their news section has no comment on the enormous torture scandal that will prove to bring down the torture implicated Minister MacKay (Elizabeth May’s rival last election, no less). They do say that Canada’s reputation is at stake worldwide, but didn’t update the comment to include the fact that we’re no better than American torturers now.


And speaking of Conservative trolls…

Day, and the Conservatives, as usual, are offering a load of hogwash. The people who’d see the report would have high level security clearances, who are previously investigated by CSIS to ensure they are not a threat to national security. They would not release the classified information to anyone, under pain of prosecution. The reason the documents are leaked, is BECAUSE they were redacted even for loyal Canadians allowed and entitled to see them.

Day’s government is the one endangering Canadian troops’ lives, because now they have no moral high ground of the Geneva Conventions!


19 responses to “Green Party vs. Conservative Trolls

  1. It’s really ruined the CBC website for me – every time I see some Aboriginal or Green Party news bit and the crushing wave of ignorance that is the comments, I get really depressed. I try to take an objective, scholarly approach to them but it only works sometimes. At any rate, your blog helps. Thanks!

  2. The problem is that there’s a market for stupidity, and it’s easier to come by than intelligence is. CBC’s comments attracts more dregs than insightful commentary, because the people with crazy things to say find an audience without having to resort to wailing on a street corner or going to a bar like in the olden days ;-)

  3. That’s true. Gotta remember the demographics… there’s a lot of angry and bitter people that nobody will listen to unless they’re on the Internet.

  4. Brokenshell: “an objective, scholarly approach”

    Now there’s an oxymoron.

    Saskboy: “CBC’s comments attracts more dregs than insightful commentary”

    CBC comments are a microcosm of CBC’s audience. What do you expect? Something intelligent? Another oxymoron.

  5. That bit about the older one gets the more conservative they become is true, by the way. There’s nothing new nor wildly speculative about that. There’s the old saw “If you’re not a socialist at 20, there’s something wrong with your heart, but if you’re still a socialist at 40, there’s something wrong with your head” which I first ran across many years ago when reading the book Welfare: Hidden Backlash by Tommy Douglas’s right hand man way back in the 1940s, Morris Schumiatcher.

    I just did some calculations based on Stats Canada population data found here (Table 1.13 on page 28).

    That 23.4% of Canadians between the ages of 18 and 25 is about 2.8% of the total people of voting age. Stats Can’s age cohorts are slightly different than the one used by Ekos polling, in that the second one, the one in question here, is actually 18 to 24, not 25.

    According to Stats Canada, though, the entire age 18 to 24 cohort is only 12% of the total voting age population, based on 2007 population estimates. Stats Can uses only four voting age cohorts. The others are “25 to 64”, and is by far the largest, spanning 39 years compared to the 6 years in the 18 to 24 age group, “65 to 74” and “75 and up”. So even if you include the 25 year-olds in the group Ekos was surveying, it’s still only a very small portion of the voting population, and given that it is true that people do tend to drift toward the right as they get older, I think this article is stretching it a bit. To quote a passage that you chose not to cite: “…pass a law to disallow anyone older than 25 to vote and Ms. May’s fortunes zoom.” Is that the electoral reform you had in mind?

  6. No of course not, but I’m sure you’ve noticed that there’s frequent joking (or maybe not joking) on talk radio about how young people shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

  7. No, actually, I haven’t heard that. I’ve heard the NDP suggesting that the voting age be lowered to something like 16, though. They know the young voter is more inclined to vote socialist than the older voter.

  8. Thanks, Saskboy. Most of the hits on that page ask whether the voting age should be raised again. Interesting.

    As an aside, the voting age (and more importantly the legal drinking age) was 21 when I was in my late teens. Just a few months before I could hit the bars legally, they changed it to 19 I believe. (It could have been 18, but it was so long ago, I don’t remember.) But anyway, I felt cheated cause tradition was that the day you turned 21 you would go into the bars and imbibe all you wanted and whip out the ole birth certificate or drivers license to prove you were legal. It was a rite of passage and I was cheated out of it. ;P

    I also remember a time when there were “men only” bars, but that’s a different story.

    Anyway, the first time I ever voted federally, it was for Trudeau. Provincially, it was always NDP. That changed in the 1980s.

    What talk radio show have you heard that on, BTW? I’m a regular listener to several, but I’ve never heard it. I am disturbed about the lack of interest among younger people in voting. I think they are unappreciative of what they have. I’ve long felt that exercising your vote was more important than who you vote for, cause if the political types begin to think they won’t be held accountable, then we’re in trouble.

  9. Women weren’t always allowed to vote either, perhaps they’ve become unappreciative of what they have, and their right should be withdrawn so they want it more again? ;-) Just a cheeky suggestion going where you were with young people.

    Gormley’s show has had questions about voting age before, and there’s always someone commenting how it should be raised, and others think it should be lowered. You may interest more in voting if you took the right away, but odds are that the apathy caused by the electoral system would only get worse, and those young people who do care would find less constructive ways to enter political discourse than through formal politics.

  10. Sorry to disappoint you, Saskboy, but I wasn’t going in that direction. And by the way, all the women I know exercise their franchise, without fail. Not so for the 18 to 25s or thereabouts.

    Regarding the “less constructive ways”, those are the ways of spoiled brats who are too used to getting what they want on demand. They aren’t “less constructive”. At best they are useless. At worst, they paint a very poor picture of the political sophistication at play.

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